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all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington. a live look at the white house on this monday morning good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. >> there are 84 days until election day, just one week until the start of the democratic national convention, kamala harris, painting the choice at facing voters this november in stark terms this is not 2016 this is not 2020 this time around, the stakes are even higher someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united states coming off a weeklong

swing state tour, the harris campaign, seeing yet another sign momentum continues to be on their side this new poll from the new york times and siena college finding here is as a four point lead over trump among likely voters across the blue wall states pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. all states trump carried in 2016 that biden flipped blue in 2020 and trump just doesn't seem to be handling any of this very well. >> the former president posting on social media last night, quote, i'm doing really well in the presidential race, leading in almost all of the real polls and insisting quote, this 2024 is thus far my best campaign. the most enthusiasm and spirit those comments come after a blockbuster peace in new york times over the weekend where maggie haberman and jonathan swan report that trump is quote, a candidate knocked off his bearings disoriented by

his new contest with kamala harris. and on i'm sure of how to take her on. they write that trump has no regrets about questioning harris is black identity telling donors friday quote, i was right that he's sent angry text messages to a top donor, miriam adelson, potentially risking millions of dollars and support and they report that trump has repeatedly called harris the b word in private. the trump campaign disputes that telling the times quote, that is not language that president trump has used to describe camila. it all paints a portrait of an angry man struggling to run against a woman whose campaign at least so far is embracing joy we are here together because we love our country and

we are. together, we are running this campaign on behalf of all americans so let's contrast that with how trump presents this race if comrade walz and comrade harris win this november, the people cheering will be the pink cared marx's, the looters, the perverse, the flag burners, hamas supporters, drug dealers, gun grabbers, and human traffickers okay. >> joining me now to discuss david frum, staff writer for the atlantic, meghan hays, former biden white house director of message planning, and a consultant for the dnc and matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's 2024 presidential campaign welcome to all of you on this monday, a week before the democratic national convention, david frum, the kind of swirl around donald trump this weekend, that truth, social post. he ranted

against yours as well. he clearly seems very rattled by times piece by the polling. what do you see here? i mean these two campaigns are now so starkly different what would i see here is a story we've been living with for a decade. >> and 2016, donald trump got a smaller share of the vote, than al gore john kerry than mitt romney. in fact, he finished of the 12 people who've run for president in the six elections from 2000 to 2020, he finished second from the bottom and in 2020, donald trump got the less a smaller share of the vote than john kerry and mitt romney and al gore. and finish this time. third from the bottom of those 12 people, there was not a day in his presidency when according to any reputable poll, donald trump had the support of even half the american people. the story of the trump era has been, how do you lever 46% of the vote and to 60% of the political power it worked in 2016, it didn't work in 2020. and what's going on in 2024 is the anti-trump majority, which has always been

bigger than the pro-trump minority, is a bit as always been less cohesive. it reassembling and re-energizing itself to stop? up the man who tried to make a coup d'etat from returning to the presidency. >> matt gorman there are a lot of republicans around donald trump who were trying to get him to do things a certain way and he does not seem to be listening to them. i mean, what what has stood out to you? >> a couple of things right. like a month ago we were all in milwaukee and it was remarkable kind of discipline that he had. but again, it was eating he's it had the defense of playing when you're up to five points. >> winning is easy. exactly so i think winning is very straightforward and not to his piece that came out talking kind of alluding to that same sentiment that the times talked about. >> and you had j.d. vance and the sunday shows really effectively levering some strong and probably the best, i assume, polling think messaging against camila, at least it certainly was when joe biden ran against that chameleon type attack. and then axios piece published just talking about kind of trump is kind of very fuming and angry. and then he posts about, you know, camila

and the rally and ai. and so when you have i think is vance trying to have that traditional messaging the one that follows where the trump ads are. and then he ended up kind of trump kind of careens into a whole different set of things. >> we end up in trump-world, right? you're referring to they accused harris putting out an ai photo of a crowd at a recent event, we're going to talk about that in our, in our next block. meghan hays, one of the things that we're obviously tracking is how is this going to last and also, as we're starting to see these new polls, what is it that's driving voters? and frank luntz conducted a focus group with undecideds. some of these voters were previously voting for trump. and here's how they explained to him how they've started to change, how they look at the race. let's watch it's more of an issue with donald trump. and the options that are now available when he chose j.d vance, it kind of pushed me over to have an open mind. >> i switched to voting for

keras because she's younger, she's vibrant i switched because j.d. >> vance scares the heck at me and the joe is just a little bit too old and she looks presidential. >> and even if i don't agree with all our policies, i trust that she'll have good judgment really interesting. and j.d. vance kept popping up there. >> yeah. i think, you know, people say that the vice presidential pick doesn't matter, but i think that the mccain campaign would probably disagree with that goal if we look back in history, but i do think, you know, i think that the harris campaign is offered this new enthusiastic new energy that's went into the democratic party when you have these double-haters, it didn't want to vote for biden, didn't want to vote for trump. now the harris campaign is giving people a place to go and also j.d. vance, is childless cat comment or lose cat, ladies? yeah that really turned a lot of people often those are the independent voters that they need to win. >> so i just think, you know, the harris campaign is working on louisiana are working that enthusiasm, peace, and really pushing forward. and i think

it's really beneficial. and if they can keep it going into november, i think they're they're in a good spot. >> trump campaign is this weird problem is if your main line on attack on kamala harris is that she slightly shifted her opinions at various points in her career. >> who are we going to put this? >> message in the hands up? who's going to deliberate the biggest flip-flopper ever on a presidential ticket. i mean, many of us, i, j.d. vance used to publish on my website there's hollywood job. do you know doors day why i knew her before she was a virgin, i knew j.d. vance when he was a moderate republican who supported the iraq war, supported free trade. and that was not when he was in his 20s. that was as a person of making his way in politics as late as 2016, he was publishing articles in the atlantic, our magazine denouncing trump as a fascist or a nazi, a threat to everything good and decent. and then key is the man you're going to select a believer she's shifted from this point on the center-left to this slightly different point on this center-left, this guy, incredible because you said because he's, he's the one scene for any of us, right? he's had answered that right. now. the kamala harris kind of tactic is she doesn't

anonymous aid sends out, which essentially they're not. i'm saying disowns everything she said. she talked about from 2019 to 2020, you haven't had that opportunity in whatsoever, so she's had really a total one at from when she ran in 2019 and 2020. and we i don't know why. >> i mean, david, do you think harris is going to have to sit down for these interviews mean she hasn't she hasn't yet and it has not been her strongest forum in the course of her career. >> yeah i imagined she will. i don't know. but the way you communicate presidential campaigns, he's also a little different in the tiktok era from the way it was in the neck and she doesn't think candidates have to do these interviews at all and you also sit down with different kinds of people that in the tiktok era from what you did you know, look, this is television. >> i don't want to say anything disrespectful and television. but if we were on radio in 1950, wondering when is the candidate going to sit next to a next his, his or her next interview on the mutual broadcasting system. and say, well, there's this thing called television, but it's come along and it may be

changing politics and tiktok has done the same thing. >> really interesting. all right, coming up next here on cnn this morning, donald trump's interests in crowd size enters a new arena. >> former president spreading false conspiracy theories about the size of a care of harris campaign rally plus donald trump points the finger at kamala harris for mirroring one of his policies and president biden speaks out about his historic departure from this campaign number of my democratic colleagues in the house and senate start and i always can hurt him with erases i was concerned if i stayed in the race that would be the topic cnn is live from chicago as democrats unite to offer their support to a new nominee and her running mate fellow cnn for complete coverage, the democratic national convention next monday at seven on cnn and streaming on max pods biggest

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can see, again, we were there thousands of real people actually packed an airport hangar near detroit to see the vice president at this rally trump, not letting these facts get in the way posting these photos on his truth social platform alleging harris use ai technology to fake the photos. again, of course, the issue here that there were plenty of actual reporters there to document what is going on at this these events david frum, david bluff said this, these are not conspiratorial rantings from the deepest recesses of the internet. the author could have the nuclear codes and be responsible for decisions that will affect us all for decades. what's up with this? >> well, we often casually use the word narcissism to mean someone who self-involved. but that clinical narcissism is different than clinical narcissist is struggling with deep inner feelings of worthlessness. and he constructs or she constructs a

giant ideology of self assertion to cope with their inner feelings of worthlessness when anything threatens to puncture. that those fantasies, those fictions, the person can spiral into all kinds of mental collapse into aggression, into violence into his self-hatred. but that's, that's the donald trump story i think. but down there is seething worthlessness and self-hatred. he's constructed to this fantasy of his life. and now it's been contradicted and he cannot cope. >> i will just say none of us are actually card carrying psychologists, so we'll just we'll leave that there. i take your know, narcissist on politics like we know a lot but matt, i mean, this is like i mean, come on, don't mean look, i approach him as i said in the first block from a communications point of view, right? you have you have lining it up, vance, and you have this kind of progression with your messaging and then it gets thrown away. and that was again, that was what we didn't see a month ago as much she's democrats. when we were talking in walking, democrats are

begging for things like this, doing true to kind of distract from joe biden is old joe biden might drop out narrative and, we're having in spades now. and i think that's the tough part because again, i think a lot of republicans i talked to her a very frustrating because there's really potent attacks on camila and tim walz right now. there's a lot of them in advance is giving, as we saw on the sunday shows, a pretty good articulation of them. but when you had the top of the ticket veering off of this stuff, this is why you spend eight minutes talking about this stuff. >> and people want to know how they're going to make their lives better, how each of these people are going to make their lives better, and how they're economic policies and how what their vision is for the future. and when you are not talking about the issues and talking about this nonsense, it is a distraction and you lose voters. >> yeah, but that's what we talked about, what we had that same problem with joe biden, right when you're only talking about a joe biden during that whole month, that was what you distracted from. trump was remarkably on message with that, i mean, sort of irony here. david is that it just serves to highlight the crowd she's getting that he's doing this could also look the basic

grammar, the basic math of the trump era has never changed. >> 46% of the country either like some or will put up with him and a majority of the country dislikes disrespects, fears him and that what we are watching is the anti-trump majority, which has always been there. this is not new, we're not seeing momentum, we're not seeing shifting. we are seeing, we're seeing the coalition of the decent coming to life alright, still ahead here on cnn this morning, it controversial finish on the race track. the final lap that led to an improbable victory, crushing defeat, and some really hard feeling thanks. catastrophic explosion and a maryland neighborhood that's one of the five things you have to see this morning five good things listen wherever you get your podcasts the first deal. >> is subway has never been easier just by enter foot-long and app, get another fried dough. the hard part is telling

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anti-child party and he defended trump's position of leaving abortion policy to the states i criticized kamala harris for being part of a set of ideas that exists in american leadership that is anti-family. >> i never dana criticized people for not having kids. i criticize people for being anti-child and joining me now is cnn's chief political correspondent, dana bash, who hosts cnn's inside politics and co hosts cnn state of the union, dana, good morning. morning. thank you so much for being up early with us today. >> this was a great interview j.d. vance clearly felt like he needed to. i mean, this was a significant push he made doing these interviews, probably trying to contrast with the harris campaign simply by doing such slip down to fighting it so walk us through what you learned from him, what stood out to you about what he had to say? >> first of all, he is he's very eager to we were talking

beforehand, as you said, try to steer back the conversation as much as he can. perhaps from the man at the top of the ticket. two issues you heard him talking a lot about some of the policies that the trump campaign wants to push. >> he says that the harris campaign hasn't fully developed yet, which is not wrong there. 3.5 week old campaign, we're going to hear more of them this coming week. but the whole question of, well, let's just focus on what you just played. the family and the childless cat lady and so on and so forth one of the things that was interesting to me was i asked him specifically because he called out by name kamala harris and people who the judge about whether or not he considers them parts of families because in the case of kamala harris, she is a step mom. she has two stepchildren he said, yes, she is part of a family and pete buttigieg, he

even said, yes, i later in the program talk to buttigieg and he said, well, i wonder if that means he's going to change his position on same-sex marriage, which from the perspective of someone like pete buttigieg and others who are in his position who are able to get married to somebody of the same sex if jd vance's i guess, former position or who knows, if the republican many republicans position stays in effect, he wouldn't have that family so glad you want to play part of the motions, play part of the buttigieg. answer let's watch the other part. just as troubling, right? which is saying that anybody who disagrees with him is anti child and it's part of just who he is. right? he he's seems incapable of talking about a vision for this country in terms of lifting people up or building people we'll up or helping people out. it's always disparagement it does seem to

actually play into, i mean the negative framing of this is by itself a contrast between trump, trump-vance, and harris walz right now no, it absolutely is. >> at the other thing that was striking to me was on tim walz's military record, he was not apologetic, he was not backing down on it. they clearly believe that they are onto something here. we had a pretty extended conversation about it and i was giving him some of the facts including the, harris campaign saying that tim walz misspoke and the one time that i have seen where he said back in 2018 that he used a weapon of war in war which he did not do because he was not in actual war zone, even though he did sir, for 24 years. the fact that he continues to seize on that is a mature if it means that they see something that we don't, or it's just like the thing as

pete buttigieg is pete buttigieg said, it's the exception that sort of defines the role that he is kind of hard to attack on a lot of other issues one of the other places where vance has tried to well, he's been criticized by harris and walz ticket as weird, right? >> there was some conversation a back-and-forth about this in your interview with him. and there was a moment about a handshake. i just want to show it and you can kind of explain it tim walz gives this big speech. he's been announced as the vp nominee, and i remember when i had just been announced as the vp nominee, i gave my big speech and i saw my wife and i gave her a big hug and a kiss because i loved my wife and i think that's what a normal person does. tim walz gave his wife a nice firm midwestern handshake and then tried to sort of awkwardly correct for it what? >> well, that's what i get because that i don't really understand what you're saying and then he continued to sort of explain it i can't believe

we're having this conversation. >> what we went, but we back jeff zeleny, who was there, sent me a photo of the two of them hugging. >> i mean, when tim walz did go to his wife, it almost looked like he was turning around to what his hand out, not knowing who was there and it was like, oh, it's you and then right. but i guess the point is, is that he's not afraid to play in this sandbox and that is why the tim, tim walz actually came up with this term weird because democrats for so long have brought a sort of a knife to a gunfight when it comes to the rhetoric of donald trump, and they're trying to be more in that space. >> also, look, j.d. vance, man's way too much time online and spent way too much time with people were online a lot, a lot of what he says he's going when we in comprehensible to you unless you participate in or have some acquaintance with this strange underworld that he comes from. so when the

point i'm going to say this, businesses it's not nice, it's not true, but what he's trying to suggest as it tim walz as a sexual deviant of some kind that's what are you talking? that's what he's trying to that's what he's trying to david course no. that is what no, that's ridiculous. like donald trump will deviate know. first of all, tim walz, this whole weird light attack. look at that line three months and look at donald percent that's summer and you're going to central leave it. that is, if you wanted to if you want to understand this, this is just as a point of analytic understanding, not look at donald trump juniors twitter feed to understand what the underworld, the lava coming up from the ugliest parts of american life are, and what they're trying to suggest the point that j.d. vance when he says i want to talk about policy he's in a he's a candidate is trying to say, when i said that the unemployed are a bunch of lazy load swilling beer on the couch at 9:00 a.m. what i meant to say is this country needs to do a better job of creating work for people that everything is couched as a personal attack of the most vicious kind. and

that's what he's doing with tim walz. that's why people think he's weird because he he's so brilliant, he is so capable, so why is he so filled with rage and contempt for others? >> you're saying that jd vance's his brilliant, you're giving him? >> yes, he is brilliant he's very, very told you about why this is so filled with rage and contempt. i appreciate matt you being you pushing back on that. i want to kind of bring it back to dana's interview because you also spoke with him about the president's the former president, donald trump's comments at nabj and these questions that he said, kamala harris quote, happened to turn black, questioning her racial identity. let's watch this i believe that kamala harris is whatever she says she is, but i believe importantly that president trump is right, that she's a chameleon. she pretends to be one thing in front of what audience she pretends to be something different in front of another audience. look, dana, she's not running a political campaign. she's running a movie. she

only speaks to voters behind a teleprompter everything is scripted so this is what the campaign would like donald trump to be focused on, right? >> like this, this messaging around calling kamala harris is a chameleon that's not what trump is doing even though vance is out there doing what happened right after that? at an interview, as i said, something along the lines of with respect, if you want to talk about people changing their positions, you changed one of the biggest which is that you were very anti-donald trump and now you're not and then he explained as he has done before, why he thought that he was wrong about donald trump before meghan, i mean, i just don't think we should be in the business of question people's race. i just think it's a weird place to be. i think it's they need to stick to issues and i think that he was trying to do that there, but again, donald trump's not going to do that. so i just think when you start having these conversations about race, you are turning off people who are the, these independent voters who don't it just a weird, weird to them, start overused but it it's like, oh, my god for the campaign because i think an interesting place to

be. again, we need to focus on issues like the economy and how are you going to make people's lives better? and the vision for the future and leave all this personal stuff behind. i just think it's turning off people in these battleground states all right, coming up here on cnn this morning, democrats say that they are spreading a message of joy they want to ride positive momentum to the white house. we're going to dig into that plus teen usa appeal putting a decision to strip the bronze medal from american gymnast jordan chiles mika are taking on to hotels. what if i took on one of the hotels and you did the other two teams, we are going to be bryant 100 days mess. >> they'll tell when 100 day hotel challenged special series premieres tuesday at 8:00 on hgtv how many to abu dhabi for me as a mother here. i can be my authentic self i. knew this

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video evidence to show the team's head coach request to file an inquiry on chiles score was submitted 47 seconds after the judging that is within the one-minute deadline required. >> this has all happened because they were told that the missed that deadline former foes, elon musk and donald trump sitting down for a one-on-one interview on the platform, formerly known as twitter tonight, mosque has already endorsed trump for his 2024 candidacy. >> he promises the conversation tonight will be quote, highly entertaining and part imagine trying to get around los angeles without a car. that's what mayor karen bass says she is aiming for when the olympics ted to la in four years. she said she wants the games to be car-free. >> it's just part of a plan that includes expanding the city's public transportation just say i will believe it when i see it call me skeptical, but

hey, i suppose it's it's an admirable goal all right, let's turn back to the 2024 race they're trying to steal the joy from this country. >> they try and in this fight, we are joyful warriors she has brought back compassion and decency and hubert and we will do it with joy. she has brought out the joy in our politics okay, so now we're stating the obvious that harris walz campaign has centered their campaign around joy. >> its message is our next guest said, says could be decisive in november in his latest piece for a variety magazine, mark mckinnon writes this quote, eight years of maga gloom with a global pandemic in the midst of it has enveloped the country in a dark cloak. when biden initially handed the

reins to harris and voters, respondents, so enthusiasticall y, they were evidently starving thing for a break from the drumbeat, seeking a more optimistic message even if many may not have realized that at the time they were primed for the positive. and while there will be battles royale during the next three months over ideology policy, and personal biographies, i believe this election will fundamentally boiled down to a contest between the future and the past between joy and anger and joining me now is mark mckinnon, former adviser george w bush, john mccain, one of the creators of paramount's the circus. >> mark. good morning. it's always wonderful to see you good morning. >> good morning. >> so i really enjoyed your piece and you really compare this, this new attitude from the harris campaign to some of the most successful campaigns of the past, regardless of party. and we pulled together, you write about them in your piece. we've had to be found to show them on on tv. you're citing, again, these are little pieces that you put together to

kind show how this kind of a message can help somebody when lets, lets watch this on the right track it's morning again in america under the leadership of president reagan her country is prouder and stronger and better i mean, the contrast could not be more clear, right? i mean that first one was of course, jfk's campaign song yeah. great series of clips. their case and you know, the other campaign i didn't even mention, but of course i'm closest to was george w bush. and his compassionate conservatism. i just heard walton, your clip talk about compassion we've been missing

capacity of a missing joy and i just think there's pent up hunger for optimism, joy and i think that goes a long way toward explaining what's happening because something unique and different is happening. and i think a lot of it just has to do with people just embracing the joy of this campaign and how weird is it that one of the first things to trump campaign did was attack kamala harris is laughter for cod sake and then i thought what about i thought, you know, what's really weird? >> you never hear donald trump lap. i mean, have you and if you have police, roll the tape i'll have them i'll have them go looking for it, but this i mean, that's come up. we've seen that come up before, right. this note that donald trump very rarely laughs. i mean, sometimes humor is part of his rallies, but it was, it was much more so that way in 2016, that really seems to be one of the really striking differences between that campaign that he won. what we saw in 2020 and what we're seeing this time around. i mean, even if you look at a mark, i'm really interested in your take on what we saw from

the former president over the weekend because there had there was this big report in the new york times where they said he had called kamala harris, the b word. he was reportedly angry and brooding and demanding updates from his campaign advisors about what is the latest polling. his mood seems to be to match the darkness of his campaign right now, what impact is that having? thank a ton, i mean, think about it. >> this can something that george bush used to say, people don't say, i'm really off follow me they do. >> nobody does and to your point, that it's so dark and trump though right now and by the way, the crazy tweet that he did that you also mentioned on the program it is just i mean, we think we've seen the total crazy of trump and then he does something like this. and, you know, i mean, questioning the 2020 election that mean, is sinister, but this is like another level

because think about it. >> if he were president again and he's fantasizing about his enemies like china end. he thinks that they're using ai to create whatever like crowds for harris how's he going to respond as president if he's actually thinking these things are true about his opponents mark sort of overall question and i'm sure that, you know, when you come back, what kind of continue to talk about this as this goes on, but this has been such a period of highs for the harris campaign. how would you evaluate how they're dealing with speed bumps that are coming their way. >> there was this at military free pre-service question around walz. obviously, we're going to head into the convention that's likely to be another kind of upper for them. but surely the rubber is going to meet the road at some point. how do you evaluate them so far and what do you see in that regard in the future? >> great point, great point, kasie, because they are and that's when that's the real test of a campaign. but when we look back on this campaign in

the future, if harris wins, i think this compressed time schedule were really, i've worked to her advantage because think about it. she said three-and-a-half weeks of great press if she can get through this week with good press, you know, she's going to get great press during the convention that will be more than a month of solid positive for us. and then rolling into september. so that's tough to be not. yes. >> walz military records that they i think they did the right thing with the statement about e misspoke. so that was good on that point she did do a little presser the airport as you saw, which of course trump thinks his ai now so they know that they've got do that, they know they've got to face some pressure and some tough questioning but they can kind of fade this now rolling with it just right. and they wrote up through the convention that gives her more confidence. so that when they do face these speed bumps, they can do it with a whole shield of barmer. final point i'll make is that you know, democrats are always accused of bringing a knife to a gunfight. well, this positive campaign is like bringing biscuits to a gunfight. and i

think there are bunkers are gone. fair mark mckinnon for us this morning, mark, always grateful to have you. thank you. hope you'll come back soon give you kasie. >> thanks. >> all right. let's turn now let's turn now to this wow this was the slow dance at my little school dances donald trump opened his montana rally this weekend. >> i'm sure you can recognize it. celine dion's. my heart will go on. >> if you've been living under law for all this time, you may remember this is a remote the gala that served as the team to james cameron's titanic. >> and that was at a trump rally. dion took issue with trump's usa the song, and then posted in no way is this use

authorized celine dion does not endorse this or any similar use. the singer also posed this question, tell me you weren't thinking it really that song. mean first of all, i love that. >> it's a great song little renaissance of celine dion right now by the olympics. and i talked about yes it's funny records if you've been know trump rally, like the soundtrack is quite good actually beforehand, it is, and it's like really like the adult contemporary station that your parents would listen to while you're in the backseat of the car? it's like celine dion easy listening, rolling stones, and there is actually a pretty good liked mic but yeah, it's always also the tough part with republicans and finding those songs. and they we always get dinged on this a couple of times every election, right? even a bunch to the artists tend not to be on our side of the aisle, right? >> we usually the celebrities are more but i mean it's sort

of telling david frum that they like allowed this to happen for playing a song from a movie that hit a giant ship that hit an iceberg and sank yes, killed almost all all those aboard what he he put donald trump place strange songs. i want to put in a special ward here that selena, not only celine dion canadian, but so as james cameron that we need to have a little our resident can make anyone weigh in on this one i think that the harris campaign got a lot of credit for beyonce thing she could do a song. >> i think there were something over the weekend with him was i just i are with governor walz. i just think that it's incredible that you'd like your point that democrats always seemed to get the good music, but this is like an advanced fail one-on-one, like the very first thing you do is make sure that music is that it makes sure you have permission to use it. i mean, we're having very in-depth conversation about one song jeb bush, who got to be a cpac, but the trump campaign doesn't pay for its venue. >> so why would they pay for his music? >> well yeah, it's it is it is one of the things about the

trump soundtrack that i always thought was interesting is that it really deviated from sort of the country music heavy way that other campaigns would do this. >> again, when you're on the road and you're hearing this for a year straight. it's nice to have some sort, right? yeah. yeah. >> that's leaned dion what's better? >> just my personal personal. alright. so speaking of musical acts will get to it. i'm going to leave you with this tom cruise giving the olympics a hollywood send off during the closing ceremony's in paris. he zip line into the stadium, grabbed the olympic flag from samoa from biles, and then set off on his motorcycle. and then there was this prepared package the us, take over the closing ceremony, then took us to a beachside contract and la with a red hot chili peppers. >> and the masque got to be 2024 olympics took the stage.

snoop dogg dropping like drop it like it's now la, is on the clock as the u.s. hosts the world at the next summer olympics in 20 2028 first of all, i hope snoop is coming back back right? he has to write. yes absolutely love high bar la, but parrots, secretary job, amazing. >> paris did a great job david frum. what do you make a tom cruise? they change the hollywood sign, they put the olympic rings up there la has been a great center of olympics. >> 1984, i think was one olympics it didn't lose money. and of course the whole shape of modern los angeles is i went to there their first olympics. olympic avenue and the whole shift of the city from the center to the west, they owe to the olympics of almost a century ago. so i i don't disbelieve the mayor that the olympic could be transformational for the wallets

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