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.41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads #516303404/19/11 | |
N Notropis Campfire Regular | |
OP Notropis Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,993 | I have a box of Missouri Bullets 215 grain lead SWC bullets for my .41 Magnum but am having a somewhat difficult time finding a lot of data for it. I did find some data on the internet that indicates 16 grains of 2400, 9 grains of Unique, and 6.5 grains of Trail Boss. Do any of you have any suggestions on moderate but firm loads for these bullets. I have been loading 21.5 grains of H110 behind 210 grain Hornadys but would like to settle on a load with lead bullets for general shooting. |
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Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#516346404/19/11 | |
R RJM Campfire Outfitter | |
RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,927 Likes: 11 | 8.0 grains of Unique is what I have been shooting for 30+ years...950 fps in a 4" barrel. Duplicates the velocity of the original 210 lead Police Load... I use 23 grains of H110 with the Hornady 210 jacketed..rounds drop right out of the S&Ws and primers nice and round.... bob If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you.... |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads RJM#516347704/19/11 | |
V VAnimrod Campfire Kahuna | |
VAnimrod Campfire Kahuna V Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 61,130 | Originally Posted by RJM 8.0 grains of Unique is what I have been shooting for 30+ years...950 fps in a 4" barrel. Duplicates the velocity of the original 210 lead Police Load... I use 23 grains of H110 with the Hornady 210 jacketed..rounds drop right out of the S&Ws and primers nice and round.... bob If that don't work, you need to reconsider what you're doing with it. |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads VAnimrod#516435204/20/11 | |
dsink Campfire Regular | |
dsink Campfire Regular Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,797 | Im using 6.5gr of Titegroup with a 215gr LSWC and was shocked when I shot it over my chrono and was getting right at 1200 fps out of a 4" model 57 with light recoil and great accuracy. |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads dsink#516436304/20/11 | |
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 10,886 Likes: 1 C CrowRifle Campfire Outfitter | |
 CrowRifle Campfire Outfitter C Joined: May 2004 Posts: 10,886 Likes: 1 | 18 grains of 2400 with 210s is what I shoot. No signs of excessive pressure and the rounds are not as sooty as when I tried 110 or 296. Accuracy is great. I think I am addicted to the .41 now. |
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Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads CrowRifle#516448604/20/11 | |
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RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,927 Likes: 11 | http://stevespages.com/410p_2.html http:/ If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you.... |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#516490804/20/11 | |
Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger | |
Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,444 Likes: 13 | For several years my go-to load for .41 Magnum was 16.0 grains of 2400 under an LBT 220 grain WFN, both gas checked and plain base. It got almost exactly 1200 fps from a 6 �� Blackhawk. The plain base did not lead with my alloy and revolver dimensions but at that speed it could produce leading in another revolver. But I liked it because it was relatively mild and superbly accurate. IIRC that was the starting load listed in the Hornady manual for their 210 grain XTP. 2400 is a very good powder for loads in the 80% range or there abouts since it maintains its ballistic uniformity and accuracy even when loaded down 20 or 25% from max. I have seen that well behaved property across the board in the .357, .41, .44 Special and Magnum and the .45 Colt. Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Jim in Idaho#516510404/20/11 | |
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SOFMatchstaff Campfire Regular S Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 614 | I use 18.5 of H110 and a 410459, 220gr. with a heavy roll crimp, Its a mild load and very accuate in my 57s. I tried bumping it up a bit but the end result didnt change that much. the 200yd rams didnt seem to go down any better with the hotter loads than they do with the mid range load. I am working with the WC820 and its close to the same results but a tad cheaper. I also experienced the sooty syndrome, and found that the heavy crimp lessened it alot. Mixture adjustment I guess, got a better burn. I also tried different bullet lubes, ended up with the harder consistency ones instead of the alox /javelina formulas. less burnt residue to remove. Stay with a Flat base cast bullet, never got the accuracy with the bevel base styles that I have achieved with the Keith designs. NRA Benefactor |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#516609404/20/11 | |
Swifty52 Campfire Outfitter | |
Swifty52 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,740 Likes: 9 | Originally Posted by Notropis I have a box of Missouri Bullets 215 grain lead SWC bullets for my .41 Magnum but am having a somewhat difficult time finding a lot of data for it. I did find some data on the internet that indicates 16 grains of 2400, 9 grains of Unique, and 6.5 grains of Trail Boss. Do any of you have any suggestions on moderate but firm loads for these bullets. I have been loading 21.5 grains of H110 behind 210 grain Hornadys but would like to settle on a load with lead bullets for general shooting. I looked up Missouri Bullets and found a 215 gr Keith. Specs were Brinnel 18, so its a magnum capable hard cast. I have been shooting 18 - 20 Brinnel hard casts in my 41 Blackhawk for about 15 years now. Swifty Swifty |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#516623104/20/11 | |
Leanwolf Campfire Outfitter | |
Leanwolf Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,488 Likes: 10 | With my 215 grains SWC hard cast bullets, I've been using 8.5 grains Unique in my S&W 57 6" bbl., for years. I get 985 +/- FPS, chrono. I've shot completely through a medium size Mule deer at about 85 yards +/-, and through-'n-through a large Black bear at about 15 yards. Works just fine for me. As Bob said, 8.0 grains Unique also give plenty of "ooomph!" L.W. "Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.) |
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Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Leanwolf#516640504/20/11 | |
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2 B Bristoe Campfire Oracle | |
Bristoe Campfire Oracle B Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 79,321 Likes: 2 | I like 2400 in any magnum revolver load. 296/110 will usually give a bit more energy, but 2400 isn't as finicky. |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Bristoe#516646704/20/11 | |
tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger | |
tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,276 | Based on how well it worked in .44 mag full power loads, I'd give Lil'Gun a try; Hodgdon does have data for it, in the .41 mag online. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..." |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads tex_n_cal#516739104/20/11 | |
M MHWASH Campfire Regular | |
MHWASH Campfire Regular M Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,031 | I was real happy with HS-6 for mid range loads. Cna't remember if it was 9 or 11 grs, but it was real pleasent to shoot, velocity was around 950. |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads MHWASH#516763404/20/11 | |
N Notropis Campfire Regular | |
| OP Notropis Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,993 | Today I chronographed some 215 grain SWC loads with 8 grains and 9 grains of Unique. The 8 grain load was measured at a little over 1,000 f/s and the 9 grain load was measured at around 1,100 f/s. The 210 grain Hornady JHP load of 21.5 grains of H110 was also just a bit over 1,100 f/s but had a great deal more muzzle blast. |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#516770404/20/11 | |
Leanwolf Campfire Outfitter | |
Leanwolf Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,488 Likes: 10 | Notropis, what handgun and barrel length were you using?? Thanks. L.W. "Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.) |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#516792004/21/11 | |
R RJM Campfire Outfitter | |
RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,927 Likes: 11 | Originally Posted by Notropis Today I chronographed some 215 grain SWC loads with 8 grains and 9 grains of Unique. The 8 grain load was measured at a little over 1,000 f/s and the 9 grain load was measured at around 1,100 f/s. The 210 grain Hornady JHP load of 21.5 grains of H110 was also just a bit over 1,100 f/s but had a great deal more muzzle blast. That is a little "odd".... From your velocities with Unique I am guessing you are using a 6" or 6.5" barrel...yet your H110 velocities are way below what they should be. 23 grains of H110 in a 6.5" barrel gets in the 1400 fps range in my guns. 21.5 should be in the 1200s... Make sure you really put a max crimp on both Unique and H110 loads as without adequate bullet pull with Unique you will get "unclean" burning and with H110 you'll have what looks like little black ball bearing all over the bore. A heavy crimp and Winchester LP primers are Magnum primers from other makers lessen that. I load my H110 loads so that the base of the bullet contacts the powder to eliminate all air space. This gives the cleanest burn, max velocity and lowest shot to shot Standard Deviation using this powder. If I don't want a Max load I use another powder like SR4756... Bob If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you.... |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads RJM#516841604/21/11 | |
N Notropis Campfire Regular | |
| OP Notropis Campfire Regular N Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,993 | I was shooting an old pinned/recessed M57 with a 4 inch barrel. I was surprised the H110 loads were not faster. I might try some 2400. I started with H110 because it seemed that the loading data for 2400 was all over the board from the different sources. The H110 seemed to max out at about 22 grains from most sources. I generally use H110 in .357 Magnum loads and 2400 in bigger stuff. I used WLP primers most of the time. The cases are crimped about as heavily as the dies will allow. 9 grains Unique with 215 SWC lead 1117, 1077, 1100, 1117 8 grains Unique with 215 grain SWC 1039, 1002, 1079, 1048 21.5 grains 210 XTP Hornady 1185, 1145, 1115, 1101 |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Notropis#517267204/22/11 | |
Swifty52 Campfire Outfitter | |
Swifty52 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 8,740 Likes: 9 | Originally Posted by Notropis I was shooting an old pinned/recessed M57 with a 4 inch barrel. I was surprised the H110 loads were not faster. I might try some 2400. I started with H110 because it seemed that the loading data for 2400 was all over the board from the different sources. The H110 seemed to max out at about 22 grains from most sources. I generally use H110 in .357 Magnum loads and 2400 in bigger stuff. I used WLP primers most of the time. The cases are crimped about as heavily as the dies will allow. 9 grains Unique with 215 SWC lead 1117, 1077, 1100, 1117 8 grains Unique with 215 grain SWC 1039, 1002, 1079, 1048 21.5 grains 210 XTP Hornady 1185, 1145, 1115, 1101 The velocitys as posted for the load using unique arent that far off for a 4" barrel. Powders I have used in the 41 range from Red Dot, unique, and W296. You might be over belling the brass, had this happen to me on a set of dies. The belling die was mis cut, going to deep in the brass. My favorite 41 mag is AA #9. mild to Hot loads are no problem with it. Swifty Swifty |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads Swifty52#517341004/22/11 | |
R RJM Campfire Outfitter | |
RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,927 Likes: 11 | Looked up data and the closest I have is: From a 6" S&W: All these rounds were chroned on the same day... Add 10 grains of bullet weight to Load #1 and subtract 2" of barrel and you are in the 1100s... When I use H110 there is no air space left in the cartridge. Your loads show a 84 fps spread...mine are usually 20 or under. I rarely use H110/296 in 4" barrels...just too much wasted powder burned past the end of the barrel...that is the muzzleblast you are getting... Just found an old entry from 1984...4" M57/210 Hornady/23 grains/H110/1250 fps. I show the exact same velocity from the same gun and bullet with 13 grains of SR4756 which is much faster burning and much less muzzleblast. Bob If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you.... |
Re: .41 Mag 215 lead SWC loads RJM#517342504/22/11 | |
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,950 G GF1 Campfire Tracker | |
GF1 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,950 | I've shot 17 gr/2400, Std primer, Remington cases, for many years through my three M57s. It shoots great in all. I played with many different powders, but always have come back to 2400. As others here have said, it's less tempermental and really accurate. I also load 17.5 w/ 210 gr. jacketed bullets; they print to the same POI to 50 yards. |
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